Mankind versus YHWH-Elohim

Whether construed as allegory, fiction, or literal account, the Genesis narrative fails to withstand scrutiny on logical, legal, and spiritual grounds. Eight critical failures are identified within this Complaint.

A common counterargument asserts, “He is God and can do as He pleases.” This constitutes an ad hoc appeal to divine authority. If accepted, such reasoning would permit the justification of virtually any illegal or immoral act on the basis that it reflects God’s will. We observe today the consequences to which this flawed and circular appeal to plenary authority has contributed.

IN THE COURT OF EQUITABLE REVIEW
OF THE COMMON LAW OF REASON


MANKIND,
by and through its first representatives,
ADAM and EVE,

    Plaintiffs,

v.

THE COVENANT OF EDEN,
by and through its sole author and imposer,

    Defendant.

**COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY RELIEF, EQUITABLE RESCISSION,
AND STRUCTURAL INVALIDATION OF COVENANT**

NOW COMES the Plaintiffs, Mankind, by and through its first representatives, Adam and Eve, and for their Complaint against the Defendant, the Covenant of Eden, allege and state as follows:

PRELIMINARY STATEMENT

This action arises from the formation, imposition, and enforcement of an a priori covenant governing the conditions of human existence. Plaintiffs seek declaratory and equitable relief from a covenant alleged to be structurally unsound, epistemically recursive, and defective at inception, and further alleged to have been imposed without consideration, without meaningful consent, and under materially incomplete disclosure of its operative penalties.

Plaintiffs neither affirm nor deny the authority of the covenant’s author per se, but instead place at issue the legal and moral soundness of the covenant’s architecture as imposed upon innocent agents incapable of informed assent. Nothing herein shall be construed as a surrender, waiver, or abandonment of any claim of possession, stewardship, or ownership of the planet Earth, nor as recognition that the Defendant, by virtue of the covenant or any prior interaction thereunder, holds lawful title to, or exclusive dominion over, the Earth. This Complaint addresses defects inherent in the covenant itself, independent of any subsequent inducement, temptation, or third-party interference.

JURISDICTION AND VENUE

This Court has jurisdiction over this matter pursuant to its inherent equitable authority to review instruments imposing universal and enduring obligations upon dependent parties lacking capacity for negotiation, refusal, or informed consent.

Venue is proper in this Court because the covenant at issue purports to bind all members of the human species, across all generations, under a single, indivisible regime of obligation and penalty.


PARTIES

  1. Plaintiffs are Mankind, represented herein by Adam and Eve, the initial subjects and first bound parties of the Edenic Covenant.
  2. Defendant is the Covenant of Eden itself, an instrument of unilateral imposition governing the conditions of human existence, promulgated and enforced by its sole author and imposer.

GENERAL ALLEGATIONS

  1. Prior to the events giving rise to this action, Plaintiffs existed in a state of moral innocence, lacking experiential or conceptual knowledge of evil, guilt, or culpability.
  2. Defendant imposed upon Plaintiffs a prohibition concerning the acquisition of “knowledge of good and evil,” coupled with a penalty clause stated as “you shall surely die.” This was posed in the form of a covenant.
  3. The Covenant (prohibition) was imposed without negotiation, without reciprocal exchange of value, and without disclosure of the full scope, duration, or transmissibility of its penalties.
  4. Plaintiffs were wholly dependent upon the Covenant’s author for continued existence and lacked any alternative forum, counsel, or means of informed evaluation of the Covenant’s terms.

COUNT I
Primacy of Unsubstantiated Trust as a Ground of Obligation

Complaint

The Edenic Covenant situates moral responsibility within a framework in which trust is required in advance of the agent’s capacity to critically evaluate the grounds for that trust. Obedience is thus grounded not in informed moral discernment but in reliance upon the authority issuing the command.

This configuration alone does not imply concealment nor require an inference of ill intent; rather, it reflects a structural feature of the narrative in which obligation appears to precede moral self-consciousness. If obedience in this context is understood as an expression of trust, the narrative nevertheless situates that trust within a condition in which the agents lack independent grounds by which its trustworthiness might be critically evaluated during an unspecified, but understood by both Parties to be very long, period of compliance.

Plaitiffs received notice of evidence contrary to the Covenant’s required trust basis and identified party’s unilateral assertions only after entry into the Covenant (to include all the Counts which follow), and possessed no means, prior to formation, by which such evidence could have been discovered or evaluated.


COUNT II
Unsound Recursivity as a Ground of Obligation

Complaint

The prohibition itself unilaterally imposed upon mankind as a result of this unevaluated trust was fatally recursive and unsound in its construction. The Covenant required compliance with a prohibition whose moral and substantive meaning could not be understood by the bound party without either (a) possessing the very attribute reserved to the offerer (omniscient moral comprehension), or (b) violating the Covenant condition itself. In other words, the Plaintiffs were prevented by the strictures of the prohibition from apprehending whether or not their actions in conformance were ethical, moral, or harmful.

Specifically, it prohibited acquisition of “knowledge of good and evil,” while simultaneously presupposing that the bound party could meaningfully apprehend the distinction between good (compliance, trust, ethics, or knowledge) and evil (breach, lack of trust, immorality, harm, or ignorance). This distinction could not be known without already possessing the prohibited knowledge or occupying the epistemic position of the offerer.

Accordingly, the prohibilition bound an innocent agent to a condition whose evaluative content could not be grasped except through breach, rendering compliance circulus in probando and impossible to ground in informed agency. Thus, the Plaintiffs were positioned in a circumstance of failure without the cognitive equipment necessary to perceive either the danger or its ultimate consequence.


COUNT III
Depraved Indifference with Scienter

Complaint

Genuine agency requires a genuine alternative. Love without the ability to refuse is not love; obedience without the possibility of disobedience is mere automation.

The existence of the Tree of Life implies, by logical constraint, that death was already a functioning reality within the created order — a condition the Plaintiffs did not possess the knowledge to apprehend. Otherwise, the Tree of Life would have been unnecessary. Its presence signals planning and contingency rather than immortality as an intrinsic factor of the universe prior to the arrival of the Plaintiffs.

When the violation occurred, the self-proclaimed God immediately fashioned garments for the Plaintiffs. This is not the reaction of a deity blindsided by cosmic catastrophe, but that of a sovereign administering the consequences of a foreseen risk. If genuine free-will risk and mortality were already embedded within the structure of creation, then the probability of violation — across eternity, or any sufficiently extended duration — approached inevitability. That which is inevitable under known conditions may reasonably be construed as purposed.

Accordingly, the allowance of such an outcome while holding sole and unquestionable power to prevent it constitutes, in legal contemplation, depraved indifference to human life. The Plaintiffs, lacking experiential knowledge of good and evil prior to the act, could not have comprehended the moral architecture into which they had been placed. They existed within a framework whose stakes they were structurally incapable of understanding.

The Defendant was fully aware of these circumstances both prior to and during the execution of the events described herein, and further possessed the exclusive knowledge, capacity, and authority necessary to intervene in — or redesign — those circumstances without materially impairing the Plaintiffs’ free will.

At face value, the violation of the prohibition and its surrounding circumstances appear to reflect an exercise of “free will” on the part of the Plaintiffs. However, because the Plaintiffs lacked the requisite knowledge necessary to form a fully informed act of will — possessing neither experiential understanding nor moral framework — any apparent exercise of choice was materially constrained by the conditions imposed upon them. Their capacity to will was therefore limited to that range of action effectively structured, anticipated, and permitted by those circumstances and their agent, the Defendant. Accordingly, what presents as free will dissolves upon closer examination; the Plaintiffs did not exercise genuinely autonomous choice, but rather acted within a decisional architecture whose outcome had been inherently conditioned and pre-purposed to effect harm to the Plaintiffs.


COUNT IV
Inherent Epistemic Limitation Regarding Consequence

Complaint

At the time the prohibition was issued, Adam and Eve possessed no experiential knowledge by which the existential gravity of the command could be fully apprehended. Having encountered neither death nor moral corruption, and lacking any phenomenological reference for conditions outside the ordered environment in which they were placed, they were situated within a condition of inherent epistemic limitation regarding the consequences attached to the act.

While the command itself was plainly stated, the nature of the penalty — death — referred to a reality wholly unobserved and conceptually inaccessible to the human agents. The prohibition therefore operated within an asymmetrical knowledge structure, wherein sovereign authority declared consequences that the recipients could not meaningfully evaluate through prior experience or understanding.

At the moment of formation, the Edenic Covenant imposed a material condition whose domain of exercise was undisclosed and undiscoverable by design. The bound parties, Adam and Eve, were epistemically incapable of understanding the nature, scope, or ontological consequences of the prohibited act, due to their state of innocence and lack of experiential or conceptual access to moral evil. Having never encountered death, and with death being a condition wholly outside their control or experience, the bound parties lacked any meaningful conception of the nature, scope, or significance of the penalty contemplated by the Covenant.

The Plaintiffs bore no means to define this particular prohibition as distinct in terms of penalty or impact from any other general requirement (accomplishing Garden work tasks, waking up on time, being a good citizen, healthy communication habits, telling the truth, etc.). The requisite counter, based upon the supposition that no other requirements were formulated and therefore the prohibition was the only compliance demand made upon the Plaintiffs, is an unrealistic and unsound basis for and soley posteriori evaluation of the gravitas of the prohibition itself.


COUNT V
Failure of Covenant Structure (Failure of Consideration)

Complaint

The Edenic Covenant fails for lack of consistency in truth. Adam and Eve received no novel or bargained-for exchange in return for their compliance. Life, existence, and habitation within the garden had already been conferred without condition prior to the imposition of covenantal obligations and therefore cannot serve as consideration for a subsequent agreement, especially if unilateral.

Having already irrevocably granted these foundational benefits to the best knowledge of the Plaintiffs – remebering that improving such knowledge was prohibited by the Covenant itself – the offeror’s later attempt to condition their continued enjoyment upon obedience raises substantial question as to whether the primary grant was indeed truthful. A promise grounded in benefits previously bestowed does not constitute valid consideration, but instead suggests the retroactive conditioning of an existing entitlement. In other words, the change in mind, falsified the initial promise on the part of the offeror.

Accordingly, the Covenant operates less as a reciprocal undertaking than as an effort to impose new obligations upon parties already in possession of the very interests purportedly offered in exchange, rendering any appearance of prior grant structurally unstable or untruthful.

The sole benefit offered in exchange for obedience was the continued non-revocation of what the bound parties already possessed, coupled with forbearance from punishment. Such forbearance does not constitute lawful consideration where the threatened consequence arises solely from the discretionary power of the offeror, but instead reflects the use of conditional deprivation as leverage.

The Covenant therefore functions not simply as a prohibition, but also as a condition attached to an already in-place and promised grant, falsifying the trustworthiness or truth of that initial grant (see Count I above).


COUNT VI
Material Misrepresentation of Covenant (Prohibition) Scope, Penalty, and Authority

Complaint

The omissions and misrepresentations described herein rendered the assent induced by the Covenant defective, as the bound parties relied upon an incomplete, misleading, and internally inconsistent description of both the penalty attached to violation and the authority under which the Covenant purported to bind. Specifically:

A. Material Misrepresentation and Omission of Penalty Scope

The Covenant’s penalty clause — “you shall surely die” — materially misrepresented the scope, duration, and transferable consequences of breach. The clause failed to disclose that violation would entail not merely the death or transformation of the immediate actors, but the imposition of an enduring condition of sin, suffering, and compulsory obligation upon future descendants and other innocent parties.

The bound parties were not informed that breach would effect a permanent alteration of human ontology, moral inheritance, or collective liability extending across generations. Such consequences constitute material facts that would have significantly altered any reasonable party’s assessment of the risk attendant to breach.

The penalty clause further failed to convey its meaning to parties who had never experienced death and therefore lacked the experiential foundation necessary to evaluate the consequence threatened.

B. Material Misrepresentation of Offeror’s Sovereign Authority – Inherent Sovereignty does not Require Contractual Architecture.

The offeror represented himself as possessing sole authority to enact and enforce the Covenant on behalf of all Elohim and further held himself out as exercising exclusive authority to speak for and bind the assent of the universe in its entirety. Only following formation of the agreement were the Plaintiffs informed, through a third party, that the offeror’s asserted authority was contested – a material fact not disclosed at the time of formation.

Furthermore, the offeror expressly framed the Covenant as an agreement rather than a mere directive from a superior to a servant by attaching a defined penalty to noncompliance, instead of simply instructing that the prohibited action not be undertaken. By conditioning obedience upon the threat of punitive consequence, the offeror transformed what might otherwise have been an opportunity for divine instruction into reliance upon a non-sovereign juridical undertaking, thereby invoking the essential characteristics of a binding contract with a stipulated penalty.

In so doing, the offeror elected to operate within the constraints of a juridical framework rather than demonstrate sovereign providence – employing the legal technology of a created entity rather than excercising inherent divine authority – for a truly sovereign directive requires no penalty to secure its authority, whereas the imposition of sanction evidences reliance upon contractual obligation and renders the relationship juridical rather than sovereign in character. Indeed, within an authentically sovereign order, the knowledge of having fallen into disfavor with the sovereign would itself constitute the paramount inducement toward obedience, carrying a moral and relational gravity surpassing any threatened temporal consequence. The resort to the warning “you shall surely die” therefore reflects dependence upon punitive deterrence rather than upon the inherent authority traditionally attendant to sovereign command.

C. Mistrepresentation of Death

The offeror represented to the Plaintiffs that death – a concept with which they possessed no prior familiarity at the time of Covenant formation – would arise only as a consequence of noncompliance and did not otherwise operate within their domain. This representation was materially misleading.

The Plaintiffs later discovered that death was neither novel nor contingent upon breach, but instead constituted a preexisting and systemic feature of the created order (necessitating a “Tree of Life” resource to counter), operative long before the Plaintiffs existed as parties capable of receiving benefits or entering agreement.

The mischaracterization of death deprived the Plaintiffs of the ability to evaluate the true nature, probability, and immediacy of the threatened consequence, thereby rendering any assent obtained under such conditions materially uninformed.


COUNT VII
Immoral Imposition of Penalty Upon Innocent, Non-Human, and Non-Consenting Generational Parties

Complaint

The Covenant, as enforced, imposes penalties, disabilities, and compulsory obligations upon parties who neither participated in its formation nor engaged in any act of breach. Such parties include all future descendants and generational successors of the original bound actors, each of whom entered existence already subject to adverse conditions arising solely from the alleged violation of the Covenant by others.

These downstream parties were innocent at the time the penalties attached, lacked any agency with respect to the Covenant’s breach, and possessed no opportunity for assent, refusal, mitigation, or representation. The imposition of penalty upon such parties operates independently of individual conduct and is triggered solely by lineage or status.

In law and equity, penalties may not be imposed upon innocent non-parties absent personal fault, voluntary assumption, or lawful representation. Collective or hereditary liability imposed without consent or participation constitutes an unlawful extension of punishment beyond the scope of any valid agreement or enforceable obligation.

Accordingly, the Covenant’s enforcement against innocent and generational parties constitutes an impermissible form of collective punishment, void as against principles of equity, proportionality, and fundamental justice.


COUNT VIII
Immoral Appication of an Indeterminate and Perpetual Penalty (Failure of Proportionality and Calculability)

Complaint

The Covenant frames its penalty in terms of perpetuity, imposing an unbounded and enduring condition without temporal limit, termination criteria, or mechanism for satisfaction. As such, the penalty bears no calculable value within the Covenant and admits of no rational assessment as to proportionality, appropriateness, or equivalence relative to the alleged breach.

A penalty framed in perpetuity cannot be evaluated, priced, mitigated, or weighed against compliance, nor can it be meaningfully compared to the conduct giving rise to its imposition. The absence of definable scope or duration renders the penalty non-assessable at inception and incapable of serving as a lawful deterrent or exchange within any contractual or covenantal framework.

Moreover, the offeror unilaterally imposed additional punishments and costs upon the contract a posteriori, asserting the authority not only to continue such penalties in perpetuity but also to introduce further, previously unspecified sanctions at the offeror’s sole discretion and will – again, without temporal limitation. As of the filing of this complaint, a total of thirty-three such punishments have been identified, both executed and threatened as imminent, none of which were enumerated in the original Covenant or agreement.

In law and equity, penalties must be finite, intelligible, and capable of proportional relation to the act triggering them. An indeterminate and perpetual penalty functions not as a remedial or corrective measure, but as an absolute condition imposed without reference to fault, scale, or opportunity for discharge.

Accordingly, the Covenant’s perpetual penalty is void as an unenforceable and incoherent sanction, incapable of supporting informed assent, lawful exchange, or equitable enforcement.


PRAYER FOR RELIEF

WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs, Mankind, by and through their first representatives, Adam and Eve, respectfully request that this Court:

A. Declare that the Edenic Covenant is structurally defective and unsound at inception due to recursive impossibility of informed compliance, incapacity to assent, failure of consideration, and material nondisclosure of penalty scope;

B. Declare that the Edenic Covenant is void or, in the alternative, voidable ab initio as applied to innocent agents lacking epistemic capacity to comprehend its operative terms at formation;

C. Rescind the Edenic Covenant in equity, or reform its terms to cure the defects identified herein, including but not limited to removal of inherited liability, intergenerational penalty, and perpetual burden imposed absent informed assent;

D. Enjoin the continued enforcement of any penalties, obligations, or derivative conditions arising from the Edenic Covenant that exceed the scope of consequences expressly and intelligibly disclosed at inception;

E. Declare that no future obligations, penalties, or moral liabilities may be imposed upon descendants of the original bound parties based solely upon the alleged breach of the Edenic Covenant by Adam and Eve;

F. Grant such other and further relief as this Court deems just, proper, and equitable in light of the structural defects of the Covenant at issue.

JURY DEMAND

Plaintiffs respectfully demand a trial by jury composed of impartial, non-party peers possessing no identity, status, or interest as either human or divine, and standing external to both Plaintiffs and Defendant, on all issues so triable.

RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND SEVERABILITY OF FUTURE CLAIMS

Nothing in this Complaint, nor in any relief sought or granted herein, shall be construed as a waiver, release, adjudication, or abandonment of any claims, causes of action, or grounds for relief not expressly pleaded in this action. Plaintiffs expressly reserve the right to pursue, in a separate complaint and appropriate forum, any future claims arising from or related to scienter, intentional misrepresentation, abuse of authority, ultra vires conduct, enterprise-based wrongdoing, or other theories requiring distinct jurisdiction, evidentiary standards, or remedies not before this Court, including claims requiring proof of intent, conspiracy, or ongoing patterns of conduct, all of which are acknowledged as not asserted herein and intentionally severed from the present action. Plaintiffs further reserve the right to amend this Complaint to assert additional equitable or declaratory claims arising from the same covenantal framework as further defects, omissions, or consequences are identified.


DATED: February 2, 2026 (ab Initio, as alleged)


Respectfully submitted,

MANKIND
By its first representatives,
ADAM and EVE

APPEARANCE OF COUNSEL

Plaintiffs appear by and through undersigned counsel, Eleleth, Messenger of the High God, a member of the Celestial Court, and lawful advocate for Mankind in matters touching covenantal architecture, moral imposition, and the conditions of human existence.

ELELETH
Counsel for Plaintiffs, Mankind
Messenger of the High God
Member of the Celestial Court
Advocate for Innocent Agents

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Steve

Noted the TES 3rd Law of Advanced Intelligence on the INVERSION page. Search did not find any references among the website’s articles. Are the rest of the laws available?

KJE

In the last year or so I read a book by David Allen Neron called The Gnostic Jesus Christ & Yaldabaoth His Ignorant Unbegotten Brother. I appreciate how the author isn’t dogmatic. The way that “The Fall” is explained in his book fits well with your post: So Eve eats the Fruit, and sure enough, she doesn’t die “in the day” she does so. Neither does Adam. Later in the narrative, he (women don’t count in the Bible) is attributed an astounding life span of nearly a thousand years. Given that “day” in Genesis is supposed to really mean “day”… Read more »

Ohmightyone

The new testament does not say Adam and Eve are the first humans. The couple had 2 sons, Cain and Abel. Cain murders Abel out of jealousy of Abel and is sent away by God. Cain then goes in to the city and meets his wife. The truth of the Bible is about the Sun and the human Subconscious (soul, spirit, etc.)

Ohmightyone

That is a emotional circular assessment. You have the stars that create all matter and emotional intelligent living creturess that create all thought.

Ohmightyone

You just made my point. You are emotionally influenced towards the writings of mankind. Humans wrote the garden of Eden epoch. so the Humans would be bringing a complaint to themselves. A emotional circular assesment.

Ohmightyone

My point about your thesis is that the Bible was produced to allow a small group of people to control a very large group of people thru convincing them what they are reading means something else. Outside of your conscious the demonic or angelic does not exists. All societies are created on misbeliefs and mistruths, that is why they fail, not because of moral decay.

Ohmightyone

The demonic only exists in your subconscious. This is one of the paths to enlightenment, is to control your inner demon (your subconscious)

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Tony

This is a very sharp and creative framing of the Eden story, and the contract analysis highlights some real tensions — especially around consent, understanding, and the structure of the outcome. But reading through it, I find myself wondering if the entire line of argument may be one level off. The recurring issues you point to — lack of informed consent, asymmetry of knowledge, and the inevitability of failure — don’t just describe a bad agreement. They describe something more basic: entry into existence without sufficient awareness at the point of entry. In that sense, the problem may not be… Read more »

Tony

That’s a fair extension, and I see the logic of bringing it back to responsibility at the point of creation. But I wonder if that move itself may still be operating within the same frame the original analysis assumes — namely, that the situation is best understood in terms of liability, agency, and fault. If the conditions of entry into existence are such that awareness is not present at the outset, then what follows may not fit cleanly into juridical categories at all. In other words, it may not be that there is a tort to be assigned, but that… Read more »

Eugene

The NT shares that Christ was slain from before the foundation of the world. The entire creation and man’s fall was meant to be if so, in its context. I take it that it’s a very elite lie meant to capture a group to be good patty hearst like servants, devoted to death, willing to submit as good slaves, to submit to Caesar, and most of all pay taxes and tithes.

PECB

Nice! I raised a similar complaint in 6th grade Bible class — in much more simplistic terms (being only 11 at the time). I basically raised the issue with the teacher (like in your missive above) that if Adam and Eve had no knowledge, experience, or understanding of “Good & Evil”, or death then making an agreement with them that required these things was not fair.

The resulting stunned silence and look of consternation was priceless!
[I was never called on again in that class… hahahahaha]

dslfjasdjfa

Hello, in your ECDO, why does internal dissipation of angular momentum in the Dzhanibekov oscillations not occur?

Steve

It seems we should be able to amend the complaint to include some sort of tortious interference through misrepresentation, non-disclosure or deceit relating to our true nature & history; perhaps intentional infliction of emotional distress. Maybe even promissory estoppel for ECDO if the Rainbow promise made by the Edenic god is false!

aes

There will be no feedback from earlier civilizations by beings who honored the Covenant in perpetuity, because such beings will never develop civilizations. Why would beings in a state of perpetual innocence, living in a garden of plenty, wanting for nothing, have built a civilization?  They would be as the Eloi in H.G. Wells’ novel; graceful, childlike beings who live in a seemingly idyllic, pastoral environment. Wells describes them with terms emphasizing their delicacy, naivety, and lack of aggression—qualities that evoke innocence, vulnerability, and a prelapsarian simplicity. They are peaceful, vegetarian, and carefree, exhibiting no violence, industry, or intellectual ambition. Their… Read more »

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Stefani

Fun read. I never thought of the Adam and Eve story from a legal perspective. The story always seemed to me to be the Biblical explanation of why humans are different from other animals. We have the knowledge of good and evil. It causes a great deal of worry. Animals do not appear worried about good or evil, or even death. They live in the present and react and behave according to what is happening now. Humans, not so much!

Pat Mac

If it pleases the court i would like to call Memory to the stand ,so we can all have a concise understanding of our “True Purpose and Intent Of Original Design” ………Discovery should be a hoot…..

Doeg

It is amazing to have lived through these times and witness LARP reneactment of the Fall of Man. With detachment and morbid curiosity I follow the fascinating show.

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- Jeff

Perhaps you are over thinking it. God created physical life on Earth, created some physics to keep us here, and then said (to paraphrase) if you don’t learn the rules of a civilized galactic society you won’t be allowed to join the rest of the galaxy. No doubt God doesn’t want a repeat of the angelic rebellion. Your argument regarding a defective covenant is akin to trying to argue that the laws of physics aren’t fair and should be rewritten so we can physically travel the stars, because we never agreed to be limited to Earth. However, even if we… Read more »

- Jeff

In the grand scheme of the larger universe why do you think we would get to determine what is ethical? Or to put it another way, how can we know our current view of ethics isn’t like our earlier geocentric view of the solar system?

- Jeff

Do you think we really get to select ethics, or are we just trying to discover them like we discover the laws of logic and physics? And then free will lets us decide whether we want to try and ignore them and suffer any consequences that may result.

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D lopez

I think the rules were in place before the creation of Adam and Eve. In the beggining YHVH created the moon and stars to “mark the seasons” some translations say Festivals which is the accurate translation (Lev 23) with the “Biblical Holy Days” already set which are part of the Sabbath command of #4. Which Abraham kept way before Moses, statutes there is festivals appointments with the creator. Which voids the suit.

Ben

I must note an objection to counsel’s representation: I do not recall authorizing Eleleth—or anyone—to file suit on my behalf. Accordingly, let the record reflect that I, as a member of the putative plaintiff class, hereby except myself from this action in its entirety, disclaim any interest in its proceeds and affirmatively oppose the relief sought therein. My grounds are simple: I have already accepted a settlement. The same YHWH named as offerer in your complaint has extended terms of mercy and grace. He offered to exchange the sinless perfection of His Son for the unpayable debt my own hands… Read more »

Drew Barr

Could be a coincidence or it could be TES who has been leading and pacing me towards this area of thought, what beliefs start with a guilt framework? How can one be held responsible for the actions of others in perpetuity? Rewards don’t have that feature, yet somehow punishment does? Who or what benefits with that kind of structure? Follow the payoff, who gains, who loses? It’s unclear what or who is at the top of such a system, but it’s more clear to spot the agents who rely on it.

John Day

Welcome back to my inbox, Sir Skeptic! I took the liberty of forwarding this to Cyd Ropp, also a student/practitioner of Gnosticism. Some impressions came promptly to mind:
1) “Catch-22″
2) I Wanna Be Like You” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwTClRr1x6g
;-)

John Day

It happened to me, also.
This song was playing downstairs at the birth center, watched by our older son and daughter, when our younger son was born.

He has grown to be an exceptional technical and free-climber; scary to watch.
It also pertaine to the bargain-not-bargain you describe, at least loosely.

Alex Starling

“Prayer for Relief”… in so many ways!! Very good.

JOHN MILLER

Thank ‘goodness’, finally someone speaking up for us. By the by, what’ll this cost or is Pro Bono?

Ed Powell

This is genius. Never thought of this idea, but it’s perfectly presented.